take a look at the spend cuts from bill clinton's years, 21 to 18% of gdp, we'd boom. reagan, 21 to 23% of gdp, we'd boom. we should not fear a smaller government, we should yearn -- yearn for a more prosperous private sector. >> are the markets telling us we shouldn't be afraid of this? the markets saying we should be afraid? >> i do no i can't discern the market, federal reserve policy, china out there. i'm here to tell you the numbers are -- >> can i editorialize a point? >> i wish you would. >> i'm concerned that the gop just simply doesn't get it. you just lost an election, you couldn't appeal to women, blacks, hispanics, gays, a poll in "usa today" that subjects just 22% of americans, a record low, identifies being republican. >> right. right. >> not about the economic theory, larry, not about our mutual fiscal conservatism, it is about the hearts and minds and owe? what is succeeding going around the country doing what he's doing. >> look, i'm not here to speak for the gop. >> but the -- >> i sometimes advise them. i sometimes advise them. the country wants lowe